Opinions on Religion?

Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM

So I'm curious of what you all feel about religion, or what you view. I thought this would be a interesting topic. Plus I wanna get to know some people on here.

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  1. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:48 AM

    I believe that everyone has the right to subscribe to whichever religion that gives them strength and comfort.

    I honestly believe that God, if he exists, must be pretty damn pissed off at what we are doing to the planet and to each other.

    We may be highly evolved with the ability to do many great things but unfortunately we are not so evolved that we have stopped doing very bad things.

    Judgement day = Ass-kicking day
    Fairynuff's favourite saying is "She's Bang Tidy. I'm gonna smash her back doors in!!!!"

  2. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:09 AM

    people have the right to believe in what they want.
    a bag of weed a bag of weed everything is better with a bag of weeg

  3. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:31 PM

    I am religious, although some people aren't. I try not to be judgmental because that is not my role. The teachings of any religion can be abused, hence the fact that millions have died because of religion. Allow God, or yourself if you don't believe in God, to guide you, not a group-shared ideology.

    I agree with Fairynuff,"We may be highly evolved with the ability to do many great things but unfortunately we are not so evolved that we have stopped doing very bad things."

    There are millions of people dying in Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, and Djibouti. They are starving to Death, but I can go ten minutes from where I am (I live in America) to three huge stores that are full of food. You can buy 15 different kinds of crackers, but a child won't eat once today, how is that okay?

    mlukec

  4. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:40 AM

    mlukec wrote:
    I am religious, although some people aren't. I try not to be judgmental because that is not my role. The teachings of any religion can be abused, hence the fact that millions have died because of religion. Allow God, or yourself if you don't believe in God, to guide you, not a group-shared ideology.

    I agree with Fairynuff,"We may be highly evolved with the ability to do many great things but unfortunately we are not so evolved that we have stopped doing very bad things."

    There are millions of people dying in Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, and Djibouti. They are starving to Death, but I can go ten minutes from where I am (I live in America) to three huge stores that are full of food. You can buy 15 different kinds of crackers, but a child won't eat once today, how is that okay?

    mlukec


    Here here!!!

    Fairynuff's favourite saying is "She's Bang Tidy. I'm gonna smash her back doors in!!!!"

  5. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:42 PM

    Agnostic.

    I don't care what people choose to believe in, so long as they don't push any bit of it on me.
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  6. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:52 PM

    Religions kill people.
    "All the secrets that I hide, would die, with me."

  7. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:25 AM

    people can believe in what ever they want i dont give a flying fuck i believe in god but i dont give a shit what you believe in
    a bag of weed a bag of weed everything is better with a bag of weeg

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    Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:05 PM

    Much like others I don't mind religion as long as it's not pushed on me or interferes with my life in any way. I'm a spiritual person but don't feel that I need to belong to an organized religion or worship a god of any kind. I could never belong to a religion anyway since I'm an inquisitive and rebellious person by nature. It's hard to have absolute faith in something if I find it to be flawed and hypocritical. And I've always had the thought that if a higher being did truly exist that he wouldn't be so vain as to need people to worship him or need constant praise.
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  9. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:06 PM

    God is dead.
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    my neck and hands are bound in lead

  10. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:12 PM

    Same as Pace.

    Is this my overture,
    or obituary?

  11. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

    Religion is a way to control primitive civilizations.
    God is man made concept.



    feels like something...
    ...no, its nothing

  12. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 11:19 PM

    I became a Roman Catholic to honor my aunts death. Right now I believe that God does walk with me. All of these people who are so called saved need to get over themselves. You are not going to hell because you have sex, smoke a little weed, dance listen to metal and curse. Who says that Hell is not filled with judgmental hypocrites?
    Does it make me bad??

  13. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 4:15 AM

    *Bump* because I can.

    Ah, religion. That most divisive of topics; where does one start?

    Well, I would start by suggesting (correctly) that it is an outdated and primitive crutch that humans as a whole have not yet thrown away. It was ok when it was trying to explain where the sun went every night, who made the moon, and where rain came from, but we know these things now. Let's move on, shall we?

    God as described in the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) almost certainly doesn't exist. He is a mess of bad logic and ill thought out concepts thrown together, in equal parts bigot, judge and raving sociopath. I pick on Yahweh as he is the most widely believed in deity, but don't get me wrong, Odin, Vishnu, and FSM are all equally improbable too.

    But whatever, belief doesn't equal anything more right? Well, wrong. Most theists are probably nice people, sound people who are good humans. But the shocking lack of internal consistency has made them arrive at a bad conclusions (ie, God(s) exist), and same bad logical forethought can lead to things like ("It's ok to use my religion as a justification for the politcal agenda I'm promoting, which means it's ok for me to fly a plane into a building).

    And don't even get me fucking started on creationism.

    Long and short is this:

    Religion is stupid, although mostly benign, but I'd still want a benign tumour removed if they found one in my head. If that tumour started telling me who I could sleep with and threatening me with eternal punishment if I didn't accept it, then I'm sure you'll agree, it would be a fucking bad thing.

  14. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    There's nothing wrong with the majority of religions that people follow. People are just looking towards something bigger than themselves, like a God, who can help them through the journey of their lives. There's nothing inherently wrong about that. The religion itself just helps give their beliefs structure. And structure itself isn't a bad thing. The preference of one doctrine over another doesnt matter because preferring one doctrine over another doesn't hurt themselves or anyone else, in any way. It's how the people use religion as their tool to justify raping, killing, verbally demeaning people for not having the same belief system, or to just be a plain jerk to non beleivers. In these cases it's not religion itself (unless one of their commandments blatantly calls for the obliteration, rape, etc of all non believers) but those individuals who are in the wrong.

    I believe in God and in the Christian faith. I believe that it was an intelligent designer who brought something out of nothing. Bc lets face it atheists, how can something come from nothing. Even u guys have a hard time explaining that one. I believe God banged the big bang into life and made it possible for this galaxy to be where it is at today through his great mathematical powers =). The majority of scientists agree that there is more probability of life to not exist, through their calculations, than it is probable for life to have existed. For us to be as evolved as we are today not only does the earth have to sit on its axis to a precise mathematical degree but every single other aspect of the big bang, and all that ensued, had to precisely mathematically happen the way that it did. Otherwise gravitational pulls would be so out of whack the earth would've already crashed into another planet and the sun would have already raped everything else so the end result would be no life permitting conditions in the milky way. The point I'm trying to make is that the idea of our evolution itself helps the case for the existence of God. Only something so intelligent as a God could've allowed the pieces to fall as precisely as it did, and still does. And that's perdy darn awesome in my opinion!!

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  15. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 3:52 AM

    I'll address you're points about religion itself, being seeing as you stepped into my home turf (science) I'll get that out of the way first:

    Bc lets face it atheists, how can something come from nothing. Even u guys have a hard time explaining that one.


    Actually not really, because no one worth their salt in the cosmology community will claim anything came from nothing. To undertand why you need to understand that 'nothing' doesn't actually exist, and nor could it. If we posit that before the Big Bang there still existed a system that obeyed the laws of physics, then energy would have existed. Thermodynamics states energy can't be destroyed so essentially you're stuck with it ad infinitum. This energy would have been at the lowest density state, vacuum energy. Vacuum energy still allows for virtual particles to exist, they appear in particle/anti-particle pairs, annihilate and then the energy is returned to the system. Baryon Asymmetry states that occasionally particles are not formed symmetrically, and so do not annihilate. All it takes is say, infinity, and the laws of quantum mechanics (in the case Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle) and eventually you will get a universe. I'd do the maths for you but I'm off out in a minute, so I'll post it later with my reply to your reply about religion itself.

    The majority of scientists agree that there is more probability of life to not exist, through their calculations, than it is probable for life to have existed.


    Actually they don't. Complex organic molecules and amino acids are some of the most common in the universe, and it's relatively easy for those to form self replicating nucleotide chains given the right catalyst. That's all life really is, self replicating nucleotide chains that by their structure allow for protein synthesis. No supernatural deities required.

    For us to be as evolved as we are today not only does the earth have to sit on its axis to a precise mathematical degree but every single other aspect of the big bang, and all that ensued, had to precisely mathematically happen the way that it did.


    Cart before the horse fallacy. We exist because those are the conditions that exist. Those condition don't exist just so we can exist.

    The point I'm trying to make is that the idea of our evolution itself helps the case for the existence of God. Only something so intelligent as a God could've allowed the pieces to fall as precisely as it did, and still does.


    Evolution requires 2 things; life that undergoes reproduction with variation, and and selective pressures. Again, no God required. We are a freak of 4.5 billion years of pressures on our genetics, nothing more. Yet we can understand this, and that makes us special.

  16. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 8:39 AM

    here's my religion:

    Everything and everyone has purpose. If we didn't, we wouldn't exist. God and Satan are VERY real. Proof? There isn't any. Believe it, don't believe it, I doubt either one of them care either way. Many people say, "but..the bible is proof!" No, it isn't. No religion has proof that it either doesn't or does exist. Not even atheists can back up their own shit. It's all hear-say. Same with all the other organized religions. They can never back anything up. Why? Because there simply isn't any proof.

    I said God and Satan are VERY real. I have no proof. It's simply just my beliefs on all of it. I believe there is a religion in each and every one of us. Not one, nor the other, is correct. Not even mine.

    I just love believing in shit that can't or will never be proven.

    "everything is wrong every time"

  17. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Thanks for replying to my post misanthrope. What you said was interesting. In my view, God’s works, such as quantum mechanics are AWESOME and deserve to be studied. So you said to posit that energy existed before the big bang. Like a what if kinda deal. Thats ok. Posit whatever you want. It still doesn’t prove God doesn’t exist. Its just speculating about the universe’s beginnings. Energy is still a ‘something’ which raises the question, in many, where did this something come from, no matter how small it was. Even Steven Hawkings, who married quantum mechanics, believes the universe had a beginning. To have a beginning there has to be a cause in place for the effect/beginning to follow. Math, itself, is just part of the tools God used/uses to form life permitting conditions. Your right when u say “given the right catalyst”. Those catalyst don’t come around too many self replicating neclotides around our galaxy or for millions of miles around it, apparently. God has made it possible for those nucleotide chains to form eventually into animal, plant, and human life. So It is true that there is more probability for life not to exist than it is for life to have existed the way it does in our case. God isn’t limited by time or resources so it would make sense that we go through natural selection and all that. For me it’s just part of his design.

  18. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    d1rtytr@sh wrote:
    I just love believing in shit that can't or will never be proven.


    Because you're a fucking moron.

  19. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:36 AM

    Bene Gesserit wrote:
    Thanks for replying to my post misanthrope.


    No problem :)


    What you said was interesting. In my view, God?s works, such as quantum mechanics are AWESOME and deserve to be studied.


    We may differ on out philosphiocal outlooks but we at least agree on that.

    So you said to posit that energy existed before the big bang. Like a what if kinda deal.


    It's more of a an absolute fact kinda deal.

    Thats ok. Posit whatever you want. It still doesn?t prove God doesn?t exist.


    I'll be clear. I cannot prove God doesn't exist, moreover I'm not trying to. I can only refute specific claims that can be refuted with evidence. God's existence is a matter of faith, not evidence, and therefore I could not disprove it. I can state categorically that no God is needed for the universe or life to exist, but that doesn't mean God doesn't exist. Until there is evidence wither way I decline to comment on that matter, save for I am unconvinced by the claims of theism.

    Its just speculating about the universe?s beginnings. Energy is still a ?something? which raises the question, in many, where did this something come from, no matter how small it was.


    Energy, simply, is the capacity for mechanical work. It is not 'something' tangible but it does have the capability to become 'something' because energy and mass are interchangeable.

    Even Steven Hawkings, who married quantum mechanics, believes the universe had a beginning.


    The universe as a system, yes, but that beginning is fully explainable without invoking a god.

    To have a beginning there has to be a cause in place for the effect/beginning to follow.


    And that cause can be explained mathematically and physically with our current understanding of physics.

    Math, itself, is just part of the tools God used/uses to form life permitting conditions.


    Mathematics is just an abstract concept capable of explaining how things works.

    Your right when u say ?given the right catalyst?. Those catalyst don?t come around too many self replicating neclotides around our galaxy or for millions of miles around it, apparently.


    Actually clay is a perfect catalyst. Also, there is solid observation to support the hypothesis that life also did exist on Mars billions of years ago. Life is not a one off.

    God has made it possible for those nucleotide chains to form eventually into animal, plant, and human life.


    You see, this is where it gets messy. You believe in God so you will claim God as the cause, whereas these processes exist well enough without God.

    So It is true that there is more probability for life not to exist than it is for life to have existed the way it does in our case. God isn?t limited by time or resources so it would make sense that we go through natural selection and all that. For me it?s just part of his design.


    Well at least you're not a young earth creationist :D

  20. Re: Opinions on Religion?

    Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    misanthrope wrote:
    d1rtytr@sh wrote:
    I just love believing in shit that can't or will never be proven.


    Because you're a fucking moron.


    You think calling me a moron makes you look smart? It just makes you look like an even bigger one.

    I believe in things that cannot be proven because I CAN. It doesn't make me a moron because I think like that and don't have a thousand words to say otherwise. It's simple. You believe or you don't. Everything else in between is only hear say.



    "everything is wrong every time"

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